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Post by thematster1 on Jan 22, 2018 14:34:33 GMT -5
so I have been purchasing vinyl releases probably right before the most recent "analog revival" about five years ago.
ten dollars is what I would like to pay for a 12" record regardless of how much content is on it. 13 to 15 dollars is what I usually pay and ive come to accept that.
so today when I went to pre order the new harms way and new twitching tongues records. two 12" lps without shipping = 52 DOLLARS!
are you fucking kidding me? I understand the jump from closed casket to metal blade is a big step up but this isn't some major label release.
how can i justify shelling out 25 bucks for a record from bands that play in venues that (if im lucky) has half a toilet seat left and possibly a mirror??
any opinions or thoughts to add on this subject?
(side note) totally considering paying 30 dollars for that master killer re release tho...
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Post by tao on Jan 22, 2018 15:02:20 GMT -5
so I have been purchasing vinyl releases probably right before the most recent "analog revival" about five years ago. ten dollars is what I would like to pay for a 12" record regardless of how much content is on it. 13 to 15 dollars is what I usually pay and ive come to accept that. so today when I went to pre order the new harms way and new twitching tongues records. two 12" lps without shipping = 52 DOLLARS! are you fucking kidding me? I understand the jump from closed casket to metal blade is a big step up but this isn't some major label release. how can i justify shelling out 25 bucks for a record from bands that play in venues that (if im lucky) has half a toilet seat left and possibly a mirror?? any opinions or thoughts to add on this subject? (side note) totally considering paying 30 dollars for that master killer re release tho... That's just the way of the world. Vinyl isn't as big as CD/streaming, but it's still popular as a format, so record companies can justify the price. You could play the waiting game and hopefully find it for less in store or online at some point, but really it comes down to how badly do you want those releases? I really want the Porcupine Tree vinyl rereleases, and those would cost $50+ for me to preorder and import from the U.K., so.... I feel your pain, but I can see both sides on this. |
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Post by essien on Jan 22, 2018 15:08:26 GMT -5
I think they cost even more in the UK. I don't know about the production costs of vinyl but I wonder if labels are using them as a money spinner, given that everyone just streams now.
I can't justify the expenditure so I've stopped collecting in the past year. Thinking about selling my collection and just holding on to the records that look best on my shelf.
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Post by tao on Jan 22, 2018 15:12:14 GMT -5
I think they cost even more in the UK. I don't know about the production costs of vinyl but I wonder if labels are using them as a money spinner, given that everyone just streams now. I can't justify the expenditure so I've stopped collecting in the past year. Thinking about selling my collection and just holding on to the records that look best on my shelf. This is sadness. Keep thine collection!!! Go through it!!! Listen to it!!!! Ok, done being a voice of reason now. I'm shitty at it anyways..... 😜 |
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Post by chainbreaker on Jan 22, 2018 15:51:05 GMT -5
anything new over £20 which isn't like a 3xLP then i just skip.
Old stuff that is impossible to get i don't mind paying abit more.
e.g suffocate for fuck sake 2xLP 12" i paid like £35ish. Which i was happy with.
I dnno bout the US but there isn't a vinyl plant on every street in the UK and i've heard horror stories of the waiting lists for record production like 6 months before RSD. Price is probs justified mostly.
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Post by ElderGoose on Jan 22, 2018 16:14:26 GMT -5
I don’t think I’ve ever paid less than $20 for a vinyl record.
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Post by Blacksalt on Jan 22, 2018 16:38:25 GMT -5
I don’t think I’ve ever paid less than $20 for a vinyl record. You should be going out to used record stores more dude. |
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Post by tao on Jan 22, 2018 17:02:11 GMT -5
I don’t think I’ve ever paid less than $20 for a vinyl record. You should be going out to used record stores more dude. Was about to say the same thing, but you beat me to it. thematster1 this is the biggest answer to your question/problem. Depending on what you're looking for, you'll almost always find it at a used record shop. Depending on the variant style and/or rareness dictates the price, but normally you can find it a bit more cheaper than by buying it through the band's merchnow or whatever. There's been several times I've made out like a bandit, picking up records at my local shop for like 1/3 of what they'd normally go for if I ordered from an outlet (re: hipster) store or from online. If the record I want is something I REALLY FUCKING WANT, and I know I'm not gonna find it anywhere else anytime soon, I'll pony up the cash and hate myself later, but I know it'll have been worth it. |
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Post by Blacksalt on Jan 22, 2018 17:28:03 GMT -5
You should be going out to used record stores more dude. Was about to say the same thing, but you beat me to it. thematster1 this is the biggest answer to your question/problem. Depending on what you're looking for, you'll almost always find it at a used record shop. Depending on the variant style and/or rareness dictates the price, but normally you can find it a bit more cheaper than by buying it through the band's merchnow or whatever. There's been several times I've made out like a bandit, picking up records at my local shop for like 1/3 of what they'd normally go for if I ordered from an outlet (re: hipster) store or from online. If the record I want is something I REALLY FUCKING WANT, and I know I'm not gonna find it anywhere else anytime soon, I'll pony up the cash and hate myself later, but I know it'll have been worth it. People have this belief that not only is the internet the only place to buy records today, but that it's going to be cheaper if you order it from the label or direct from the bands website. Yes, I get it, you're supporting the band directly if you do it this way, and yeah, maybe they get more of the money from the release. However, short of buying the vinyl direct from the band while they're on tour the best and easiest way to get a record is at your local Record Shop, often they bring in a small amount of records so you have to be on top of it, but if you talk with the guy behind the counter he can always put something away for you, and even order in stuff specifically for you. I find that my local store prices things reasonable, from $15-$25 dollars depending on the rarity of the record, the number of presses etc. Try checking out a store around you, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. |
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Post by tao on Jan 22, 2018 18:56:39 GMT -5
Blacksalt my local shop has a good selection of vinyl for the size of the city I live in, and he has a lot of people coming in and selling their collections because they don't care anymore/don't listen to them anymore, and it's always like "more for me then." in my head. New stuff is always going to be around the same price as what you would find online, but the pre-owned stuff is always reasonably priced. The guy who owns the place is definitely the kind of guy who'll help you find what you're looking for, and if he doesn't have it personally in stock, he'll either order it from his distributor, and if they don't carry it he'll order it from Amazon/eBay. I can spend so much time there, shooting the shit with him or his employee, just talking music and recommending bands/albums between us. As a matter of fact, I'm expecting 2 EP's sometime this week that he ordered for me. So yes, definitely smoke out your city/town's record shop(s) and patronize the hell out of them; they're more than happy to help you out.
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Post by sbaldi412 on Jan 25, 2018 14:48:11 GMT -5
It's hard for me to justify spending more than $25.00 on a record. I assume from an audiophile's perspective, they can justify it because apparently there is a sound quality difference. I honestly can't hear it, but then again, I'm not an audiophile. With that being said, there are vinyl records from certain bands that I own and actually listen to, and have paid more than $25.00 for, but it's mainly because I collect stuff from that specific band. I do still enjoy owning physical copies of things, so if the band happens to only release a vinyl and not a CD, I will absolutely purchase it.
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Post by panterabread on Feb 9, 2018 10:45:31 GMT -5
I think it's understandable that vinyls price would increase. It's a direct impact from the sudden popularity that sparked up around 5-7 years ago. I remember when I started to see pictures of vinyl records on tumblr started to get super popular at one point and I said, "Oh shit, thats cool, I want part of that." So that christmas I got a shitty 75$ player and I bought 5 records off of Amazon. All the records at the time were about 15-20 dollars, and part of the most recent pressings. Then as I grew more and more into vinyls I came to realize that certain pressings had more popularity than others and that some pressings have more made of them then others. It's something that's always on a very limited run. With bands like Harm's Way and Twitching Tongues I do believe that $52 is a bit crazy. But I also haven't gotten a brand spankin new vinyl in a while and thats very much so where the market is going with prices. I think once the market dies down in popularity we will see the prices going down again, but bands might also stop pressing them as much too. It sucks but shit always happens.
My best advice is that if you don't think you have to have it then just don't get it. I've spent well close to $100 on kinda rare Metallica albums that are first pressings, and those are my babies that I would never sell. But albums that I spend $20 are just kinda whatever to me now.
It's all up to you.
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Post by darkxempire on Feb 10, 2018 15:52:05 GMT -5
Vinyl used to be cheaper for bands to print vs cd's, when CD's were newer to the music world.... Thats one HUGE reason why underground bands continued to press vinyl, especially 7"s. Secondly, When Napster and the likes began surfacing, vinyl was the only way for bands to actually make money on their music.
SO, I could always justify spending the $5-$10 on a small band's 7", or $15-$20 on a touring band's NEW full length.
HOWEVER, yes with the popularity of vinyl, and the increase of expenses it takes get album art, layout, etc etc. bands are now cahrging upwards of $25-$30 plus shipping and all that. And that's just become normal. It sucks but if you exercise patience, and go to a record store you can save a few bucks
I have completed full discographies without ordering a single record from the internet. The hunt is half of the fun in my opinion
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Post by tao on Feb 10, 2018 20:11:37 GMT -5
Vinyl used to be cheaper for bands to print vs cd's, when CD's were newer to the music world.... Thats one HUGE reason why underground bands continued to press vinyl, especially 7"s. Secondly, When Napster and the likes began surfacing, vinyl was the only way for bands to actually make money on their music. SO, I could always justify spending the $5-$10 on a small band's 7", or $15-$20 on a touring band's NEW full length. HOWEVER, yes with the popularity of vinyl, and the increase of expenses it takes get album art, layout, etc etc. bands are now cahrging upwards of $25-$30 plus shipping and all that. And that's just become normal. It sucks but if you exercise patience, and go to a record store you can save a few bucks I have completed full discographies without ordering a single record from the internet. The hunt is half of the fun in my opinion The hunt is everything, my friend.  |
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Post by thematster1 on Feb 12, 2018 10:59:23 GMT -5
Vinyl used to be cheaper for bands to print vs cd's, when CD's were newer to the music world.... Thats one HUGE reason why underground bands continued to press vinyl, especially 7"s. Secondly, When Napster and the likes began surfacing, vinyl was the only way for bands to actually make money on their music. SO, I could always justify spending the $5-$10 on a small band's 7", or $15-$20 on a touring band's NEW full length. HOWEVER, yes with the popularity of vinyl, and the increase of expenses it takes get album art, layout, etc etc. bands are now cahrging upwards of $25-$30 plus shipping and all that. And that's just become normal. It sucks but if you exercise patience, and go to a record store you can save a few bucks I have completed full discographies without ordering a single record from the internet. The hunt is half of the fun in my opinion The hunt is everything, my friend. I do enjoy the hunt but also find satisfaction in coming home from work and having a brand new album waiting for me the day it came out |
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