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Post by metatrondies on Dec 9, 2017 10:22:29 GMT -5
I want to see this a lot, but I also genuinely don't care if I do. Hm. Yeah, same. I love Star Wars, but Disney Star Wars is as bland and formulaic as the Marvel movies. IMO, i feel like they were trying to hard to not make another Phantom Menace. I'd rather have formulaic over the prequel trilogy any day. Maul, Dooku, both Fetts, and Grievous was so underused, that i'm glad Kylo Ren is getting some character development (somewhere between his uncle and his grandfather)
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Post by viggosaurus on Dec 14, 2017 15:02:35 GMT -5
WTF was this movie? So many dumb things. 3/10
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Post by Ghosty on Dec 14, 2017 15:12:30 GMT -5
WTF was this movie? So many dumb things. 3/10 Without spoiling anything, what's so bad about it? I know critics have been explosively jizzing themselves over it because they do for all of Disney's franchise bullshit, but I've read a lot of negative buzz online over the past few days and my expectations have been as low as possible since TFA and Rogue One. I'll probably go see it next week either way, though.
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Post by viggosaurus on Dec 14, 2017 15:36:36 GMT -5
WTF was this movie? So many dumb things. 3/10 Without spoiling anything, what's so bad about it? I know critics have been explosively jizzing themselves over it because they do for all of Disney's franchise bullshit, but I've read a lot of negative buzz online over the past few days and my expectations have been as low as possible since TFA and Rogue One. I'll probably go see it next week either way, though. Kinda messy story. It felt like the movie never really started. The suspense moments relied on stupid premises. Too many times I thought to myself "wait... why". I can live with a few dumb things used to keep the story going but in this movie it happened way too often. The opening scene could have been cool but instead all these small dumb errors just made it real weak imo. Sure the movie had its moments, youll be entertained for a few hours.
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Post by Ghosty on Dec 15, 2017 17:47:42 GMT -5
Without spoiling anything, what's so bad about it? I know critics have been explosively jizzing themselves over it because they do for all of Disney's franchise bullshit, but I've read a lot of negative buzz online over the past few days and my expectations have been as low as possible since TFA and Rogue One. I'll probably go see it next week either way, though. Kinda messy story. It felt like the movie never really started. The suspense moments relied on stupid premises. Too many times I thought to myself "wait... why". I can live with a few dumb things used to keep the story going but in this movie it happened way too often. The opening scene could have been cool but instead all these small dumb errors just made it real weak imo. Sure the movie had its moments, youll be entertained for a few hours. I saw it today, what were the things you disliked about it? My list: - Rose. Please no. Terrible. - Snoke looks like a dumbass in person and we don't get any info on his background. Better as a jumbo hologram. - I like John Boyega, but Finn is still useless. - Rey is a terrible character and Daisy Ridley isn't a good actress. We also get basically nothing about her parents, although I'm not as bothered by this as everyone who wanted her to be a Kenobi. - Casino subplot went nowhere and took up too much time. - Benicio Del Toro's character was fucking weird. - Leia flying back into the ship after being blown the fuck out of it. Why? - Bad Marvel-tier humor. Only gag that I liked was Poe kicking out the bottom of his speeder. - Lady with the purple hair looked like she came from an entirely different movie. - The Resistance fleet running low on fuel being the driving plot device is fucking boring and lame. - We still have almost no information about how the Rebellion wins in Return, but they're back to getting assblasted in the new trilogy. Did they just immediately disband all of their armed forces and scrap all of their ships? - Kylo was the standout for me, but ditching his helmet is a mistake. Adam Driver doesn't convey the presence or malice to be the big bad, despite his acting skills. His voice modulator with the mask is primo. - Luke. Just what the fuck? Sending the projection to face Kylo on Crait was so dickless and the Matrix dodge was awful. Also, attempting to kill his nephew when he sensed the darkness in him, but he refused to kill Vader because he sensed light in him? I knew these movies were committed to throwing out the original trilogy and everything that happened in it, but good lord. - Basically just a mash-up of eps. V and VI. I agree that the story is messy and inconsistent.
I loved the lightspeed kamikaze scene, though. Snoke's death and the fight with his honor guard were also really cool. That's about all I enjoyed about it. It wasn't unwatchable, but it was too long and large stretches of it were boring. Honestly blows my mind that this is reviewing better than Empire.
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Post by colton on Dec 16, 2017 1:08:19 GMT -5
Wow. I LOVE Star Wars and this movie was not very good. A 5 or 6/10. Just super underwhelmed and disappointed.
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Post by sirmoshington on Dec 16, 2017 5:51:49 GMT -5
Kinda messy story. It felt like the movie never really started. The suspense moments relied on stupid premises. Too many times I thought to myself "wait... why". I can live with a few dumb things used to keep the story going but in this movie it happened way too often. The opening scene could have been cool but instead all these small dumb errors just made it real weak imo. Sure the movie had its moments, youll be entertained for a few hours. I saw it today, what were the things you disliked about it? My list: - Rose. Please no. Terrible. - Snoke looks like a dumbass in person and we don't get any info on his background. Better as a jumbo hologram. - I like John Boyega, but Finn is still useless. - Rey is a terrible character and Daisy Ridley isn't a good actress. We also get basically nothing about her parents, although I'm not as bothered by this as everyone who wanted her to be a Kenobi. - Casino subplot went nowhere and took up too much time. - Benicio Del Toro's character was fucking weird. - Leia flying back into the ship after being blown the fuck out of it. Why? - Bad Marvel-tier humor. Only gag that I liked was Poe kicking out the bottom of his speeder. - Lady with the purple hair looked like she came from an entirely different movie. - The Resistance fleet running low on fuel being the driving plot device is fucking boring and lame. - We still have almost no information about how the Rebellion wins in Return, but they're back to getting assblasted in the new trilogy. Did they just immediately disband all of their armed forces and scrap all of their ships? - Kylo was the standout for me, but ditching his helmet is a mistake. Adam Driver doesn't convey the presence or malice to be the big bad, despite his acting skills. His voice modulator with the mask is primo. - Luke. Just what the fuck? Sending the projection to face Kylo on Crait was so dickless and the Matrix dodge was awful. Also, attempting to kill his nephew when he sensed the darkness in him, but he refused to kill Vader because he sensed light in him? I knew these movies were committed to throwing out the original trilogy and everything that happened in it, but good lord. - Basically just a mash-up of eps. V and VI. I agree that the story is messy and inconsistent.
I loved the lightspeed kamikaze scene, though. Snoke's death and the fight with his honor guard were also really cool. That's about all I enjoyed about it. It wasn't unwatchable, but it was too long and large stretches of it were boring. Honestly blows my mind that this is reviewing better than Empire. Totally agree on all of your remarks, it was super disappointing. Oh and I would also like to add: The First Order, like wtf? In Ep VII they were evil incarnate especially Hux with his speech sending out some massive Hitler vibes and this pile of garbage turned him into an awful comic relief. The whole bit after Snoke died was just an awful buddy comedy between Hux and Kylo. And don't even get me started on Phasma most useless character in the whole SW universe, even Jar Jar Binks had more value.
- And double down on all that awful humor, why did Luke did this brush the dirt of your shoulder thing in his projection, ARE YOU FOR REAL?
- What are the intentions for Ep IX ? There is no antagonist. Kylo Ren became super bland and not scary at all and the First Order just seems completely ridiculous.
- Where did that "romantic moment" between Fin and Rose came from?
- At times felt more like a Spaceballs sequel. Overall 3/10 worst SW movie, even the prequels are more enjoyable.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 11:48:19 GMT -5
I saw it today, what were the things you disliked about it? My list: - Rose. Please no. Terrible. - Snoke looks like a dumbass in person and we don't get any info on his background. Better as a jumbo hologram. - I like John Boyega, but Finn is still useless. - Rey is a terrible character and Daisy Ridley isn't a good actress. We also get basically nothing about her parents, although I'm not as bothered by this as everyone who wanted her to be a Kenobi. - Casino subplot went nowhere and took up too much time. - Benicio Del Toro's character was fucking weird. - Leia flying back into the ship after being blown the fuck out of it. Why? - Bad Marvel-tier humor. Only gag that I liked was Poe kicking out the bottom of his speeder. - Lady with the purple hair looked like she came from an entirely different movie. - The Resistance fleet running low on fuel being the driving plot device is fucking boring and lame. - We still have almost no information about how the Rebellion wins in Return, but they're back to getting assblasted in the new trilogy. Did they just immediately disband all of their armed forces and scrap all of their ships? - Kylo was the standout for me, but ditching his helmet is a mistake. Adam Driver doesn't convey the presence or malice to be the big bad, despite his acting skills. His voice modulator with the mask is primo. - Luke. Just what the fuck? Sending the projection to face Kylo on Crait was so dickless and the Matrix dodge was awful. Also, attempting to kill his nephew when he sensed the darkness in him, but he refused to kill Vader because he sensed light in him? I knew these movies were committed to throwing out the original trilogy and everything that happened in it, but good lord. - Basically just a mash-up of eps. V and VI. I agree that the story is messy and inconsistent.
I loved the lightspeed kamikaze scene, though. Snoke's death and the fight with his honor guard were also really cool. That's about all I enjoyed about it. It wasn't unwatchable, but it was too long and large stretches of it were boring. Honestly blows my mind that this is reviewing better than Empire. Totally agree on all of your remarks, it was super disappointing. Oh and I would also like to add: The First Order, like wtf? In Ep VII they were evil incarnate especially Hux with his speech sending out some massive Hitler vibes and this pile of garbage turned him into an awful comic relief. The whole bit after Snoke died was just an awful buddy comedy between Hux and Kylo. And don't even get me started on Phasma most useless character in the whole SW universe, even Jar Jar Binks had more value.
- And double down on all that awful humor, why did Luke did this brush the dirt of your shoulder thing in his projection, ARE YOU FOR REAL?
- What are the intentions for Ep IX ? There is no antagonist. Kylo Ren became super bland and not scary at all and the First Order just seems completely ridiculous.
- Where did that "romantic moment" between Fin and Rose came from?
- At times felt more like a Spaceballs sequel. Overall 3/10 worst SW movie, even the prequels are more enjoyable. Ya, nothing close to Empire. Opinion seems to be pretty underwhelming for most.
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Post by Ghosty on Dec 16, 2017 13:18:01 GMT -5
Rian Johnson is a hack and I honestly can't believe that Disney is letting him direct his own trilogy. This movie has a lower audience score than Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones on Rotten Tomatoes. It'll still make a billion dollars because Star Wars, but I'm done going to see these movies on the big screen if this is the standard they want to set going forward.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 19:27:55 GMT -5
good parts were really good and the bad parts were really bad
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Post by Misanthropekl on Dec 17, 2017 6:10:27 GMT -5
Rian Johnson is a hack and I honestly can't believe that Disney is letting him direct his own trilogy. This movie has a lower audience score than Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones on Rotten Tomatoes. It'll still make a billion dollars because Star Wars, but I'm done going to see these movies on the big screen if this is the standard they want to set going forward. Him getting his own trilogy is gross at this point but people, including me, will go and see them because obviously it's Star Wars and I'll always hold up hope for it. - I hate that Snoke was killed, imo, he was the best part of the Force Awakens and the mystery around his character was great, so to build his power up only for him to be killed and underused like that was so bad. Made him look like a villain of the week rather than anything else. - The tone was all over the place, shoehorned comedy sections. - Leia's survival in space was pretty dumb - The whole Rey's parents being nobodies was so stupid, honestly ruins a lot of speculation and mystery building, if you take Kylo's word at face value - Kylo hasn't grown up, I was hoping he'd be more looming and imposing but he's still acting very petulant.
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Post by viggosaurus on Dec 17, 2017 8:11:27 GMT -5
I saw it today, what were the things you disliked about it? My list: - Rose. Please no. Terrible. - Snoke looks like a dumbass in person and we don't get any info on his background. Better as a jumbo hologram. - I like John Boyega, but Finn is still useless. - Rey is a terrible character and Daisy Ridley isn't a good actress. We also get basically nothing about her parents, although I'm not as bothered by this as everyone who wanted her to be a Kenobi. - Casino subplot went nowhere and took up too much time. - Benicio Del Toro's character was fucking weird. - Leia flying back into the ship after being blown the fuck out of it. Why? - Bad Marvel-tier humor. Only gag that I liked was Poe kicking out the bottom of his speeder. - Lady with the purple hair looked like she came from an entirely different movie. - The Resistance fleet running low on fuel being the driving plot device is fucking boring and lame. - We still have almost no information about how the Rebellion wins in Return, but they're back to getting assblasted in the new trilogy. Did they just immediately disband all of their armed forces and scrap all of their ships? - Kylo was the standout for me, but ditching his helmet is a mistake. Adam Driver doesn't convey the presence or malice to be the big bad, despite his acting skills. His voice modulator with the mask is primo. - Luke. Just what the fuck? Sending the projection to face Kylo on Crait was so dickless and the Matrix dodge was awful. Also, attempting to kill his nephew when he sensed the darkness in him, but he refused to kill Vader because he sensed light in him? I knew these movies were committed to throwing out the original trilogy and everything that happened in it, but good lord. - Basically just a mash-up of eps. V and VI. I agree that the story is messy and inconsistent.
I loved the lightspeed kamikaze scene, though. Snoke's death and the fight with his honor guard were also really cool. That's about all I enjoyed about it. It wasn't unwatchable, but it was too long and large stretches of it were boring. Honestly blows my mind that this is reviewing better than Empire. Totally agree on all of your remarks, it was super disappointing. Oh and I would also like to add: The First Order, like wtf? In Ep VII they were evil incarnate especially Hux with his speech sending out some massive Hitler vibes and this pile of garbage turned him into an awful comic relief. The whole bit after Snoke died was just an awful buddy comedy between Hux and Kylo. And don't even get me started on Phasma most useless character in the whole SW universe, even Jar Jar Binks had more value.
- And double down on all that awful humor, why did Luke did this brush the dirt of your shoulder thing in his projection, ARE YOU FOR REAL?
- What are the intentions for Ep IX ? There is no antagonist. Kylo Ren became super bland and not scary at all and the First Order just seems completely ridiculous.
- Where did that "romantic moment" between Fin and Rose came from?
- At times felt more like a Spaceballs sequel. Overall 3/10 worst SW movie, even the prequels are more enjoyable. Yall summed it up pretty good. I just wanna ad a couple of things: - the fact that Luke said "Lasersword" LOL - all the spacebattles were so stupid. First they didnt have enough tie-fighters and cannons. And the dreadnought was taken down by ww1-style slow af bombers as five other star destroyers just watched. then it was extremely lame battle when slow ships waited for the others to run out of fuel. wtf? - a small animal screaming when chewbacca flew through the mine is funny one time. not three. - romance? nope that came from nowhere and felt really forced - kylo ren? not really a bad guy in this movie either...
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Post by Ghosty on Dec 17, 2017 14:00:08 GMT -5
Rian Johnson is a hack and I honestly can't believe that Disney is letting him direct his own trilogy. This movie has a lower audience score than Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones on Rotten Tomatoes. It'll still make a billion dollars because Star Wars, but I'm done going to see these movies on the big screen if this is the standard they want to set going forward. Him getting his own trilogy is gross at this point but people, including me, will go and see them because obviously it's Star Wars and I'll always hold up hope for it. - I hate that Snoke was killed, imo, he was the best part of the Force Awakens and the mystery around his character was great, so to build his power up only for him to be killed and underused like that was so bad. Made him look like a villain of the week rather than anything else. - The tone was all over the place, shoehorned comedy sections. - Leia's survival in space was pretty dumb - The whole Rey's parents being nobodies was so stupid, honestly ruins a lot of speculation and mystery building, if you take Kylo's word at face value - Kylo hasn't grown up, I was hoping he'd be more looming and imposing but he's still acting very petulant. I'll still watch them, but I won't bother going out of my way to see them on the big screen. Star Wars isn't an event anymore since Disney transformed it into an annual franchise imo. But adding onto your last point: I think they should have had Kylo become more steadfast and controlled after he killed Snoke. His petulance was a fine way to show that he was conflicted and still young in TFA, but I doubt he's indecisive about himself after TLJ. Honestly, I wanted Rey to team up with him and create a neutral sort of order without the Jedi/Sith dichotomy. As it stands, there's not much for them to do in IX because it'll just be Rey vs. Kylo again and she's beaten him twice already.
As much as I derided TFA for being safe as fuck, at least I liked it coming out of the theater for the first time. I'm somewhat optimistic about JJ coming back for IX now because at least I probably won't absolutely hate it. The more I think about TLJ, the more I realize it's my least favorite Star Wars movie (or at least tied with Rogue One).
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Post by stfubaker on Dec 17, 2017 20:56:07 GMT -5
My thoughts. I really disliked it. The more I talk to people about it the more angry I seem to get. -To start off. Leia using the force is probably the stupidest thing in the whole movie. The way she was clearly frozen and then used the force to fly to the ship... When she's NEVER shown any form of force in the movies. Ever.
-Rose was a pointless character that I didn't care about. The whole story arc with her and Fin going to find the codebreaker could have easily been erased from the movie and the movie would literally be the exact same. Also, not to mention that the casino scene was very prequel cringe.
-Then Snoke... Just dying.. Like... Nothing. He's meant to be this big baddy, who's covered in scars and obviously has an insane back story because of how he rised to the position of Supreme Leader of the first order... And he dies. The easiest way possible. No backstory, no real threat. This guy force choked Hux from across the galaxy and threw him to the ground, but couldn't sense a light saner beside him? Fuck off.
-Then you get into a fight with Rey and Kylo fighting all those guys. 2 people who can use the force to kick their ass and throw them around. But they risk their lives with hand to hand combat? Seems really careless and reckles
-The kid using the force to pull over his broom is probably the stupidest fucking thing ever.
-Also, the big lead up to Reys parents. Everyone had so many ideas and theories and all this. Then Kylo is like "yeah, they're nobody. They traded you for money".
-And Yoda looked like fucking garbage.
-Then spending all that time to slowly follow behind their ship waiting for the gas to empty. C'mon. You command a fucking fleet of star ships and have another dreadnaught. You can wait 16 hours, or get a ship to fly in in 5 minutes and have this all done with.
-And after all this, in the end... Did the plot progress? Fucking barely.
-Oh... And Captain Phasma... 2 seconds of screen time again, and she fucking dies. Useless character that got hyped up for no fucking reason.
-I like when rose and finn were about to die, everyone's around them, axes on their neck. Crash, Literally no one around them. And Phasma and a squad roll out unharmed from the other side.
-I want to know why the Knights Of Ren.... Don't exist now? Like...?
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Post by itschewthirty on Dec 17, 2017 21:38:36 GMT -5
This movie would have been salvageable if they cut it down by about 45 minutes. Fucking subplots within subplots that merely connected to the THREE GOD DAMN storylines by a slither made the movie so boring and safe. I felt like I was watching three seasons of The Waling Dead crammed into two and a half hours.
Boring, safe, and lackluster. I feel like the audience got robbed of decent jedi-related scenes of Luke/training/actual jedi-related fighting, etc.
It amazes me that critics are praising this film for being the "best of the franchise". Absolute garbage.
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