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Post by stayxgold on Jun 30, 2017 3:03:52 GMT -5
So we obviously all like the music but for me hardcore was always more than just music. I liked a political message and the overall mindset of people when I first got into this scene. Recently I feel like hardcore has lost it's spirit. Every show I go to feels like a fashion show with people who only want to show off their new nikes. Am I getting old and miserable or does anyone else feel like this?
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Post by Glitch on Jun 30, 2017 3:48:40 GMT -5
Depending on when you got into hardcore, you're getting old and miserable Just like me. No really, I think 80's kids said the same thing about 90's hardcore, 90's kids said the same thing about post 2000 hardcore, etc. I feel like hardcore is getting back on track. Say what you want about bands like Krimewatch, Pure Disgust, Violent Reaction, Turnstile, Angel Du$t and others, but I feel like they revive that hardcore spirit you're talking about. But it's all ebb and flow. All the different styles are still alive, just not at the same level. Don't really know about the hardcore peeps at shows, been too long since I went. Last time I got there was the same mixture of young kiddo's with lots of merch and lots of moves and the not-kiddo's who are just there to enjoy the show each their own way. You'll find hoppers at trending bands, yes. This is off topic, but what I do hate are PC internet warriors. I'm talking about the kiddo's that tried to take Earth Crisis off Fluff Fest ("THEY'RE PRO ABORTION YO THIS IS NOT FLUFF FEST") or the whole thing about Chokehold ("THEY HATE TRANNIES YO"). I have my own morals, I'm mostly on the same side of PC people, but there are too many internet whiners ruining music.
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Post by stayxgold on Jun 30, 2017 6:13:23 GMT -5
Depending on when you got into hardcore, you're getting old and miserable Just like me. No really, I think 80's kids said the same thing about 90's hardcore, 90's kids said the same thing about post 2000 hardcore, etc. I feel like hardcore is getting back on track. Say what you want about bands like Krimewatch, Pure Disgust, Violent Reaction, Turnstile, Angel Du$t and others, but I feel like they revive that hardcore spirit you're talking about. But it's all ebb and flow. All the different styles are still alive, just not at the same level. Don't really know about the hardcore peeps at shows, been too long since I went. Last time I got there was the same mixture of young kiddo's with lots of merch and lots of moves and the not-kiddo's who are just there to enjoy the show each their own way. You'll find hoppers at trending bands, yes. This is off topic, but what I do hate are PC internet warriors. I'm talking about the kiddo's that tried to take Earth Crisis off Fluff Fest ("THEY'RE PRO ABORTION YO THIS IS NOT FLUFF FEST") or the whole thing about Chokehold ("THEY HATE TRANNIES YO"). I have my own morals, I'm mostly on the same side of PC people, but there are too many internet whiners ruining music. 15 years or so... I just realised getting annoyed over "youths" is probably the first sign of getting old haha I couldn't imagine not going to shows! For me this is what hardcore is all about or at least it was. The bands you mentioned are all pretty good (hate AD tho) but Turnstile for example is one of those trending bands where you get the most annoying crowd at a show. At least the ones I've been to. I know what you mean but in general I think it's a good thing when people voice their opinion. Just wish they would do this off-line too.
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Post by bricket on Jun 30, 2017 14:36:44 GMT -5
I wouldn't say it was an age thing, i think i came into hardcore with sour taste in my mouth, very much "love the music, hate the people" but as time went on started finding alot more down to earth corners in the scene, add on top the UK scene has grown loads so these "corners" are huge now.
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Post by chainbreaker on Jun 30, 2017 15:42:49 GMT -5
UK scene is really big, feels like everyone knows everyone.
I sort of know nobody. I guess i'm not very approachable, for a large amount of time, i was normally stood at the back looking anywhere but the stage lights (lol, blind bois).
Unfortunatly tho, i think ur just getting old and miserable. Dont worry though, i started being old and miserable at about 18 years old. I'm now 23, older and miserabler. I think i missed my prime at making friends at shows, or enjoying shows etc. I could complain forever and ever. But the music still is popping. Vision of disorder are still going so hxcstilllives n all that.
lots of love, chain x
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Post by panterabread on Jan 22, 2018 0:52:37 GMT -5
Hardcore has been a huge influence in my life in the more recent years. I was able to sober up and claim edge, change my political views, and it even taught me that I need to work for things in life and not just wait to be handed everything. It's played such a major role and I've even wrote a couple of papers for some of my classes about hardcore and some of the sub-cultures
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Post by SHIRT on Jan 23, 2018 14:33:44 GMT -5
I wouldn't be the respectful, hardworking, and thoughtful person I am today without hardcore. I know there is probably a "toxic masculinity" problem in hardcore now (or maybe its always been there), but the music has taught me a lot of values that I still hold onto this day despite breaking edge haha the music is ever evolving and getting better now than it has in the last decade.
on that note... shows are shows. they can be really good or really lame because of the audience and I hate that. I remember everyone in 2007 being really into parkas and at a Every Man For Himself show they had a fashion runway thing because so many people had them. it was so cringy. hahaha but I don't feel like the spirit is dying. its still going and like always those fashionistas or whoever else is gonna grow out of it like the many Las Vegas DJs that I know.
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Post by julianlozano on Jan 24, 2018 2:33:39 GMT -5
I actually see it more alive than ever as weird as that may sound. I guess it depends on who you ask also. I grew up sort of listening to hardcore as an outsider, I was the only one of my friend groups who listened to the type of music and I couldn't associate myself with the "hardcore" groups. I honestly was too intimidated and I was also one of the only Mexican at the small shows I use to attend to, they were simply no connection at all outside of just the music.
When I moved to California that all change, I was shocked to see a hardcore show with an attendance that seemed to be dominated by the Latino community. I am talking about venues such as the Chain Reaction in Anaheim and even some hardcore shows in the Roxy in West Hollywood. For once I actually felt some comfort, not to say I wasn't accepted before.
But that is just me haha.
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Post by avarice on Jan 24, 2018 13:55:56 GMT -5
I've been going to punk/metal shows in some form since I was 11 years old, I am 25 now. The blending of those two genres to form what is collectively known as "the hardcore scene" was my first and truest love, but it is a love that I definitely have to make a conscious effort to keep alive and relevant now that I am a grown person. I believe that hardcore is "youth music" and I mean that in the same way that HR from Bad Brains means it: It's an ever-evolving movement inspired by the uncomfortable nature of adolescence. However, it's not simply just "angst" and that is an EXTREMELY important distinction to make, it's dissatisfaction with so many things about society and the human condition in general.
When I try to relate to younger hardcore bands, I try to think about how the music they're making relates to the world that they grew up in, not the world that I grew up in. It's all about perspective. There are so many younger bands now days focusing on combating racism, rape, misogyny, homophobia and other current subjects that are very prevalent in the world of TODAY. They may be fighting for different changes than we were, but they are fighting for CHANGE THEY BELIEVE IN, and that's why I think hardcore will always be culturally relevant.
I admit though, it gets harder and harder for me to find new bands that I enjoy each year. I've found a lot of joy in exploring the catalogues of bands that influenced the bands I grew up with, or bands that I originally wasn't into. For example, I never was into Dillinger Escape Plan but I knew how important and monumental their breakup would be when it was originally announced. They had been a band for my entire "career" in hardcore, so I gave their discography a modern shot and I fell in love with them.
As far as the people and the scene goes, Julian and I are basically in the same scene. The Greater Los Angeles area is very heavily populated with hardcore. The environment is great and the shows are usually quite packed, but because of that it's a phase for many, many people. Seeing people put on the "act" when they don't know shit about the history or anything is definitely fucking annoying, but that's definitely just a product of getting older and more bitter.
In summary: for the truly passionate, the "fire" of hardcore most certainly still burns. But it requires more fuel as we grow older and more disillusioned with the world.
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Post by avarice on Jan 24, 2018 14:01:34 GMT -5
So we obviously all like the music but for me hardcore was always more than just music. I liked a political message and the overall mindset of people when I first got into this scene. Recently I feel like hardcore has lost it's spirit. Every show I go to feels like a fashion show with people who only want to show off their new nikes. Am I getting old and miserable or does anyone else feel like this? Fantastic thread, by the way. I loved reading all of these comments. I wish there were more discussions like this on the site.
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Post by SHIRT on Jan 24, 2018 18:51:42 GMT -5
Hardcore has been a huge influence in my life in the more recent years. I was able to sober up and claim edge, change my political views, and it even taught me that I need to work for things in life and not just wait to be handed everything. It's played such a major role and I've even wrote a couple of papers for some of my classes about hardcore and some of the sub-cultures lemme peep those essays. I have one coming up and I wanted to do something similar but I'm hitting a road block
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Post by panterabread on Jan 25, 2018 14:06:48 GMT -5
Hardcore has been a huge influence in my life in the more recent years. I was able to sober up and claim edge, change my political views, and it even taught me that I need to work for things in life and not just wait to be handed everything. It's played such a major role and I've even wrote a couple of papers for some of my classes about hardcore and some of the sub-cultures lemme peep those essays. I have one coming up and I wanted to do something similar but I'm hitting a road block I got you. I did one on straight edge and one on positive influence in hardcore. My straight edge one got the better grade of the two, but the positive influence is more general
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Post by SHIRT on Jan 25, 2018 18:01:29 GMT -5
lemme peep those essays. I have one coming up and I wanted to do something similar but I'm hitting a road block I got you. I did one on straight edge and one on positive influence in hardcore. My straight edge one got the better grade of the two, but the positive influence is more general PM me one or both. I just wanna get some ideas. I promise I won't steal anything! <3 id love you for it
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Post by SHIRT on Jan 25, 2018 18:08:58 GMT -5
UK scene is really big, feels like everyone knows everyone. I sort of know nobody. I guess i'm not very approachable, for a large amount of time, i was normally stood at the back looking anywhere but the stage lights (lol, blind bois). Unfortunatly tho, i think ur just getting old and miserable. Dont worry though, i started being old and miserable at about 18 years old. I'm now 23, older and miserabler. I think i missed my prime at making friends at shows, or enjoying shows etc. I could complain forever and ever. But the music still is popping. Vision of disorder are still going so hxcstilllives n all that. lots of love, chain x its really hard to make friends at shows now that I'm older. kids these days just seem so intimidating. i met some of my best friends at shows between the ages of 14-18. were probably just old and miserable. haha
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Post by v9733xa on Jan 25, 2018 18:42:48 GMT -5
I'm too afraid and too anti-social to go to live shows.
There i said it.
I've never been to a metal or hardcore show in my life. Well, no, I saw the Deftones in Philly in 2003 and Poison the Well opened up for them. Metal or hardcore enough? That was the last heavy concert i attended.
I have essentially no friends left here (long story), and large unruly crowds are scary to me. I don't want to go to a show to feel intimidated, pushed around (literally), or possibly even injured in some way. Some people like that; that's cool. But i can't do it.
So, then i can't go to anything.
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