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Post by panterabread on Jan 26, 2018 10:14:26 GMT -5
I got you. I did one on straight edge and one on positive influence in hardcore. My straight edge one got the better grade of the two, but the positive influence is more general PM me one or both. I just wanna get some ideas. I promise I won't steal anything! <3 id love you for it Messaged! |
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Post by avarice on Jan 29, 2018 10:27:12 GMT -5
I'm too afraid and too anti-social to go to live shows. There i said it. I've never been to a metal or hardcore show in my life. Well, no, I saw the Deftones in Philly in 2003 and Poison the Well opened up for them. Metal or hardcore enough? That was the last heavy concert i attended. I have essentially no friends left here (long story), and large unruly crowds are scary to me. I don't want to go to a show to feel intimidated, pushed around (literally), or possibly even injured in some way. Some people like that; that's cool. But i can't do it. So, then i can't go to anything. Awwwww man. This makes me sad, but it took a lot of courage to admit that on a website about hardcore. 1) You really don’t need to be afraid. I know the pictures and videos of people going nuts can be intimidating, I remember thinking the same thing, but when I first experienced it the adrenaline was sort of addicting. Never really was into sports or anything, always considered myself a dainty nerd and mostly still do, but hardcore shows are just different in another way. Anyways, there is ALWAYS some kind of safe space to stand at every venue. Now that you’re older NO ONE will think you’re a “pussy” or whatever for trying to avoid a black eye during the work week. It’s honestly to be expected from older guys. 2) You don’t need friends to go to these things. For as many people as I “know” I actually don’t spend my time with anyone outside of a few people and a lot of times they just aren’t interested in the shows I want to see, but that shouldn’t stop you from going just to check it out. Tickets to these things are very cheap. Perhaps most importantly, I have always thought it was COOL AS SHIT when I saw older dudes in the back of the venue by themselves, just coming to check out a band they’re passionate about. It doesn’t make you seem like a loner or a loser, it makes you look like a fucking hardcore wise man! Obviously you are completely free to keep avoiding these things, but I’ve seen you around the site for a while now and I know you have a pretty developed taste in music. My advice would be to think about how fucking rad seeing Deftones was live amd just give it a shot. Worst case scenario, you get hit on accident and leave knowing you aren’t missing anything. Best case scenario, you discover a whole new way to enjoy music and support the bands you love that you can enjoy for the rest of your life. |
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Post by v9733xa on Jan 29, 2018 19:24:43 GMT -5
I'll give a shot some day maybe. Where is the best way to find what things are playing around me? I suppose i'll be up for driving an hour and half or so, since that's how far is generally is to three major cities around here, give or take a few miles (Philly, B-More, D.C.).
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Post by darkxempire on Feb 1, 2018 0:59:39 GMT -5
I'll give a shot some day maybe. Where is the best way to find what things are playing around me? I suppose i'll be up for driving an hour and half or so, since that's how far is generally is to three major cities around here, give or take a few miles (Philly, B-More, D.C.). Damn man that's insane to me, From our few interactions on here I know you and I have some similar tastes in music. I'd say a good way to find out about shows are to look at some bands you are interested in on social media and see when they will come through your area. There's definitely big shows in Philly and Baltimore regularly. I feel you on not wanting to go to shows though, I still go to a lot but most of the time I have to fight off anxiety for hours leading up to a show, I don't know why as I know lots of people at shows and don't really have problems with anyone. I think it's just being in a large groups in general. Would have loved to see that Deftones/ Poison the Well tour man that sounds amazing. |
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Post by darkxempire on Feb 1, 2018 1:04:10 GMT -5
I'm totally bitter and jaded and I try to keep myself in check but it is difficult these days. I try to remind myself that the problems I have with the hardcore scene are the same problems I have with the rest of society. For example, I feel like kids act out at shows for attention, sporting $150 ebay merch, moshing on the stage for WAY too long, crowdkilling for nonbeatdown bands (i.e. people crowdkilling to shit like backtrack) fake sing a longs with the soul purpose of having your picture taken etc. etc.
What I see is a post-social media era of hardcore, where there are all these kids wanting instant validation. It seems to be the popular opinion that if you buy the right merch and take a selfie in it, then you are automatically an OG. you can literally buy yourself out of nujackdom now. Nobody pays their dues anymore. When I was first getting into hardcore I looked up to the older kids and would ask them to show me bands, and they would haze me and that was just the routine. I knew I was the new young guy and that was ok, because that's who I was and I knew I wasn't going anywhere and one day I wouldn't be new anymore and I could have an impact in some kids life by showing them music and driving them to shows and shit. What I see now is kids who don't want to earn their stripes so to speak, they act like they already know everything and pretend they grew up listening to hatebreed and No Warning in kindergarden. I try to show kids a fucking band and they just say "oh yeah I know them" and the next week they post a picture of themselves in the band's shirt with a caption like "wow I missed listening to Set it Straight its been so long" It seems very important to the youth to have the most internet fame out of their peers, to climb the social ladders of our world so quickly that never have that "new phase."
But this is the whole world we live in now. It's in every aspect of our lives, Someone takes a picture with a new crossbow and all of a sudden they are the worlds most experienced archer, validated by instagram, twitter, facebook and snapchat so the whole world knows. Feel me? So, yeah its not a hardcore problem it's a world we live in problem.
Although, each generation despises the next. I remember plenty of bands that I was shown by the older guys back in the day that would write songs about new kids sucking. It's just a viscous cycle. BLAME SOCIAL MEDIA because of social media music is being recycled and sold back to us over and over. There are some bands nowadays that are being innovative, but just like in hollywood it seems to me that the masses are completely fine with sequels and recreations of the same old thing over and over.
maybe I'm just a jaded edgelord. I still mosh at shows fuck it
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Post by avarice on Feb 1, 2018 10:05:16 GMT -5
I'll give a shot some day maybe. Where is the best way to find what things are playing around me? I suppose i'll be up for driving an hour and half or so, since that's how far is generally is to three major cities around here, give or take a few miles (Philly, B-More, D.C.). Personally, I’ve been going to lambgoat since forever and I just check the dates for every tour I’m interested in. They post dates for small hardcore tours as well as big ignorant metal ones so I find it’s a nice balance of options for my tastes. I will admit though, it’s so much easier for me to find a compatible venue here in California. I rarely have to go more than a half hour for most shows, and I almost always have the choice of commuting to LA or San Diego if there’s nothing right around the corner. If there is a reputable venue within your driving radius, I would just start getting in the habit of scrolling down their “upcoming shows” page on facebook or website or whatever. If you do decide to check one out, I’d love to hear about it man. |
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Post by avarice on Feb 1, 2018 10:25:16 GMT -5
I'm totally bitter and jaded and I try to keep myself in check but it is difficult these days. I try to remind myself that the problems I have with the hardcore scene are the same problems I have with the rest of society. For example, I feel like kids act out at shows for attention, sporting $150 ebay merch, moshing on the stage for WAY too long, crowdkilling for nonbeatdown bands (i.e. people crowdkilling to shit like backtrack) fake sing a longs with the soul purpose of having your picture taken etc. etc. What I see is a post-social media era of hardcore, where there are all these kids wanting instant validation. It seems to be the popular opinion that if you buy the right merch and take a selfie in it, then you are automatically an OG. you can literally buy yourself out of nujackdom now. Nobody pays their dues anymore. When I was first getting into hardcore I looked up to the older kids and would ask them to show me bands, and they would haze me and that was just the routine. I knew I was the new young guy and that was ok, because that's who I was and I knew I wasn't going anywhere and one day I wouldn't be new anymore and I could have an impact in some kids life by showing them music and driving them to shows and shit. What I see now is kids who don't want to earn their stripes so to speak, they act like they already know everything and pretend they grew up listening to hatebreed and No Warning in kindergarden. I try to show kids a fucking band and they just say "oh yeah I know them" and the next week they post a picture of themselves in the band's shirt with a caption like "wow I missed listening to Set it Straight its been so long" It seems very important to the youth to have the most internet fame out of their peers, to climb the social ladders of our world so quickly that never have that "new phase." But this is the whole world we live in now. It's in every aspect of our lives, Someone takes a picture with a new crossbow and all of a sudden they are the worlds most experienced archer, validated by instagram, twitter, facebook and snapchat so the whole world knows. Feel me? So, yeah its not a hardcore problem it's a world we live in problem. Although, each generation despises the next. I remember plenty of bands that I was shown by the older guys back in the day that would write songs about new kids sucking. It's just a viscous cycle. BLAME SOCIAL MEDIA because of social media music is being recycled and sold back to us over and over. There are some bands nowadays that are being innovative, but just like in hollywood it seems to me that the masses are completely fine with sequels and recreations of the same old thing over and over. maybe I'm just a jaded edgelord. I still mosh at shows fuck it I identify very strongly and agree with a ton of this, but I present a different way of looking at it. I despise all of the same shit in society, and it does pain me to see it in hardcore now. The hardcore I see today is very different from what I fell in love with as a kid. Oddly, I miss that feeling of “holy crap these dudes are bigger, older, more knowledgable and they are going to kick my ASS!” I still remember the terror I felt being 15 and seeing an entire masked straightedge crew show up to the venue for First Blood in like 2007. They were like titans and you have no choice but to buck up and defend yourself, and that’s how those “stripes” are earned so to speak. But check this out: We are those guys now. We may not think we are scary, but these modern kids ARE intimidated! That’s why they act the way do, they’re afraid of getting called out by the “elders” of a scene that they desperately want to be a part of. True, social media has made it a lot easier to pretend you’re not a newjack, but think about the positive of what it has done to our beautiful scene. Think about the kids in other countries who now have the internet and chance to discover this amazing back catalogue of music. Think about how it brings the scene together, makes the hardcore “map” smaller. I love that I can hear about shows that my fav English hardcore bands are playing from Chainy. That shit didn’t really happen back when we were getting started. Lastly: hardcore is, was and always will be youth music. The kids we see at shows are 14-21. They are TEENS! Scrambling for instant identity is what teenagers do. Because hardcore is based in youth, the scene will always be a revolving door of new generations of kids. Most of the kids we see at shows will find another passion in life, and hate moshing for Turnstile will only be a distant memory to them. The lifers will stay and grow with the genre, just as we have. Continue you to show the youth music, no matter how stubborn they are. It’s our hardcore “duty” now. |
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Post by kraut on Feb 1, 2018 21:43:51 GMT -5
It was really interesting to see the different points of view here. I came into it in the late 80s in NY, so for me I see something that has become widespread and more mainstream than it ever was. But with that, I don't think it's any better or worse, per se; I see the same things I used to see back then, just on a much larger scale. There's always going to be those kids who get into because it's the cool thing to do among their friends. They hang out for a few years and then they move on, and for the kids that remain and grow with it, there's certainly a level of jadedness, but I think it's all about how you let it affect you.
For me, it's never going to be like it was 25 or 30 years ago, but yet here we are 25 - 30 years later and kids still give a shit. I never thought that Warzone LES Crew 7" I bought at Venus Records back in '88 would ever be worth more than the $3.50 I paid for it. I never thought I'd see Judge again after they broke up, and if you told me Murphy's Law would still be an active band in the year 2018, I'd have laughed my ass off. So, the fact that people still care and care a lot - along with the fact that there's a lot of good music being put out these days by bands young and old - is what keeps a smile on face at every show I go to - even if I'm there alone because most of my friends are old and lameasses.
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Post by avarice on Feb 3, 2018 19:00:34 GMT -5
It was really interesting to see the different points of view here. I came into it in the late 80s in NY, so for me I see something that has become widespread and more mainstream than it ever was. But with that, I don't think it's any better or worse, per se; I see the same things I used to see back then, just on a much larger scale. There's always going to be those kids who get into because it's the cool thing to do among their friends. They hang out for a few years and then they move on, and for the kids that remain and grow with it, there's certainly a level of jadedness, but I think it's all about how you let it affect you. For me, it's never going to be like it was 25 or 30 years ago, but yet here we are 25 - 30 years later and kids still give a shit. I never thought that Warzone LES Crew 7" I bought at Venus Records back in '88 would ever be worth more than the $3.50 I paid for it. I never thought I'd see Judge again after they broke up, and if you told me Murphy's Law would still be an active band in the year 2018, I'd have laughed my ass off. So, the fact that people still care and care a lot - along with the fact that there's a lot of good music being put out these days by bands young and old - is what keeps a smile on face at every show I go to - even if I'm there alone because most of my friends are old and lameasses. I love that you are keeping it alive, man. It’s inspiring. How the hell did you find yourself on this site anyways? |
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Post by kraut on Feb 6, 2018 19:08:04 GMT -5
It was really interesting to see the different points of view here. I came into it in the late 80s in NY, so for me I see something that has become widespread and more mainstream than it ever was. But with that, I don't think it's any better or worse, per se; I see the same things I used to see back then, just on a much larger scale. There's always going to be those kids who get into because it's the cool thing to do among their friends. They hang out for a few years and then they move on, and for the kids that remain and grow with it, there's certainly a level of jadedness, but I think it's all about how you let it affect you. For me, it's never going to be like it was 25 or 30 years ago, but yet here we are 25 - 30 years later and kids still give a shit. I never thought that Warzone LES Crew 7" I bought at Venus Records back in '88 would ever be worth more than the $3.50 I paid for it. I never thought I'd see Judge again after they broke up, and if you told me Murphy's Law would still be an active band in the year 2018, I'd have laughed my ass off. So, the fact that people still care and care a lot - along with the fact that there's a lot of good music being put out these days by bands young and old - is what keeps a smile on face at every show I go to - even if I'm there alone because most of my friends are old and lameasses. I love that you are keeping it alive, man. It’s inspiring. How the hell did you find yourself on this site anyways? Haha, thanks, but it's really the younger kids and bands that keep it alive; I just refuse to get off the ride. A friend actually referred me to the previous board to check out some new stuff and then referred me back to it when it came back up. |
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Post by avarice on Feb 6, 2018 20:55:24 GMT -5
I love that you are keeping it alive, man. It’s inspiring. How the hell did you find yourself on this site anyways? Haha, thanks, but it's really the younger kids and bands that keep it alive; I just refuse to get off the ride. A friend actually referred me to the previous board to check out some new stuff and then referred me back to it when it came back up. Strange as it is, we do seem to have a reputation. I saw some old heads on lambgoat mentioning the site when we first came back up. Makes me happy that our hardcore section is still as strong as it is (lots of credit to our boy ꧁꧂ for that). Glad to have you here dude! |
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