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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 20:03:01 GMT -5
I know this is already oldish news, but this latest school shooting makes me sick to my stomach. The figure that really blew me away was the fact that there have already been over 15 school shootings just this year alone. I'm not creating this to start a political discussion, but when the hell is shit finally going to ever get our government to act on putting a stop to this crap?
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Post by aquafina on Feb 18, 2018 22:02:46 GMT -5
Our gun problem (USA) is at an all time high and obviously only getting worse. I am not opposed to guns as I live in the south and every single person I know owns a gun (I dont own one) and I trust them all but giving the ability to anyone to buy a high powered semi automatic rifle is insane. Something has got to change or else more innocent children and people are going to die. Trump is fucked because his base are the NRA fanboys and he doesnt want to piss them off but he has to do something. Having a 2 year old son now makes me worry even more about where this country is headed.
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Post by tao on Feb 19, 2018 0:47:43 GMT -5
I said it last week in the chatbox, but I wanna know what kind of meds he was on; I'd like to know if he was on some heavy duty meds, anti-depression meds, etc. . For the past several years, what disturbed me about these mass shootings that were being perpetrated was that practically every single perpetrator was on exceptionally strong medications that the side effects could seriously f* up someone's head. I don't disagree with you aquafina, I think more safeguards should be enacted to make it more restrictive to access specific firearms, but I'd also like people to disregard how big of a lobbyist big pharma can be and take a hard look at the medications people are being prescribed. Just my opinion.
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Post by v9733xa on Feb 19, 2018 18:13:19 GMT -5
Please PLEASE watch this young lady's speech the other day. I really don't have much else to add. She's a fucking treasure.
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Post by Calvinball on Feb 19, 2018 21:14:05 GMT -5
I know this is already oldish news, but this latest school shooting makes me sick to my stomach. The figure that really blew me away was the fact that there have already been over 15 school shootings just this year alone. I'm not creating this to start a political discussion, but when the hell is shit finally going to ever get our government to act on putting a stop to this crap? I just don't know if there is anything our government can actually do to stop this, this isn't a new issue. We live in a country that has had lax gun laws since the conception of guns, we also live in the country that manufactures most of the worlds firearms. For hundreds of years anyone who's wanted a gun could just go get one. Let's say we just ban assault rifles across the board tomorrow, what do we do with all the ones that have already been purchased *legally* or what do we do with the semi automatic hunting rifles that have easy to follow guides online to convert to fully auto? As was said earlier most of the people @auquafina knows own guns, hell I own a gun and I didn't even want one per se I got it for Christmas. The guns are here, the guns have been here and the guns aren't going anywhere. Call me cynical but what can honestly been done because I don't know? I'm not a gun nut, I'm not a republican, I'm not a democrat. I'm a nonpartisan dude who tries and usually fails at making sense of what both parties and both fanbases are getting at.
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Post by essien on Feb 20, 2018 5:36:12 GMT -5
It seems like mass shootings are self perpetuating. There's always going to be mentally unhinged people out there who are prepared to do them, and I think the more high profile the incidents become, the more likely these people are to carry them out. They see that it's a way for them to get attention/have an impact in the world.
Maybe mental healthcare can improve but the only thing that can really change to prevent these incidents is gun control laws, and I think it should start with a ban on anything that can fire more than one round at a time.
It's amazing to me, living in a country where there are virtually no guns, to know that people would argue for private ownership of automatic weapons. I understand it's a cultural thing in America and it's not really my business since I don't live there, but it dominates the news even in the UK. If incidents like this, and the Las Vegas shooting just a few months ago, aren't enough of a wake up call then I honestly have no hope for you guys.
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Post by clandestine on Feb 21, 2018 14:57:25 GMT -5
This is crazy because Parkland is a very affluent community, not the type of place where school shootings happen. It's also the first mass shooting at a school in South Florida to my knowledge and I'm hopeful that something will change in Broward/Palm Beach County, since it's clear nothing will happen at the State or Federal level.
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Post by v9733xa on Feb 21, 2018 18:36:34 GMT -5
Wait... what does that level of affluence have to do with school shootings?
I posit that actually the median income of areas with school shootings that have multiple deaths (not just every shooting, yes then all the bullets that fly by Philly and Chicago schools would count but i don't think most people lump those into the "school shooting" category) are HIGH, by comparison.
Let's check the numbers. Wikipedia stats.
Virginia Tech - Blacksburg, VA - 04.06.07 - 32 deaths - The median income for a household in the town was $22,513, and the median income for a family is $51,810. (In 2011, BusinessWeek named Blacksburg as the "Best Place in the U.S. to Raise Kids".)
Sandy Hook - Newtown, CT - 12.14.12 - 27 deaths - The median income for a household in the town was $90,193, and the median income for a family was $99,192 (these figures had risen to $101,937 and $119,175 respectively as of a 2007 estimate).
Stoneman Douglas - Parkland, FL - 02.14.18 - 17 deaths - According to a 2008 estimate, the median income for a household in the city was $277,072, and the estimated median house value was $973,176.
Columbine - Columbine, CO - 04.20.99 - 15 deaths - The median income for a household in the CDP was $71,319, and the median income for a family was $77,866 (these figures had risen to $78,203 and $88,515 respectively as of a 2007 estimate).
Umpqua Community College - Roseburg, OR - 10.01.15 - 9 deaths - The median income for a household in the city was $31,250, and the median income for a family was $40,172.
Red Lake - Red Lake, MN - 03.21.05 - 9 deaths - The median income for a household was $23,224, and the median income for a family was $20,800.
Oikos University - Oakland, CA - 04.02.12 - 7 deaths - Oakland ranks in the top 20 of American cities in median household income, with a 2012 value of US$51,863. In 2012, the median income for a household in the city was US$51,863 and the median income for a family was US$59,459.
Isla Vista - Isla Vista, CA - 05.23.14 - 6 deaths - The median income for a household in the CDP was $16,151, and the median income for a family was $26,250.
Stockton - Stockton, CA - 01.17.89 - 5 deaths - The median income for a household in the city was $35,453, and the median income for a family was $40,434.
Northern Illinois University - DeKalb, IL - 02.14.08 - 5 deaths - The median income for a household in the city was $37,719, and the median income for a family was $59,671.
Westside - Jonesboro, AR - 03.24.98 - 5 deaths - The median income for a household in the city was $32,196, and the median income for a family was $42,082.
Santa Monica - Santa Monica, CA - 06.07.13 - 5 deaths - According to a 2009 estimate, the median income for a household in the city is $71,095, and the median income for a family is $109,410.
Alright, so there are a few varied results, but clearly the data show that the worst school shootings - i.e. what the common person thinks of when they hear "school shooting" - are not at all in impoverished areas, and in fact are often in middle-class or upper-middle-class towns. This is of course some generalization, because certain areas of towns are better or worse than other (see Oakland, both super wealth and super poor). But, yeah, also with one glaring exception, these are also all done by white dudes. White people be crazy yo.
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Post by v9733xa on Feb 21, 2018 18:43:54 GMT -5
Also, I PROMISE this is real. Really. It's an AP photo.
I had to go to multiple sites because i didn't believe it. But it's an AP credited photo of the President's "crib notes" for the "summit" today at the White House.
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Post by v9733xa on Feb 21, 2018 19:45:21 GMT -5
Okay this one isn't real but it's real funny.
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Post by sirmoshington on Feb 24, 2018 9:48:47 GMT -5
I think its outrageously disgusting, how some more or less prominent figures are ripping on these kids. Like Laura Ingraham who threw a fit because one of the survivors joked about Marco Rubio and the NRA and she was talking about "how teens speak to and about adults". I mean are you serious? Those kids almost died a couple of days ago, saw their friends die and still have the courage to confront a prominent politican about his "ties" with the NRA and this obnoxious waste of oxygen is talking about teens not respecting adults??! Gtfo you cunt.
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Post by essien on Feb 24, 2018 10:39:02 GMT -5
I think its outrageously disgusting, how some more or less prominent figures are ripping on these kids. Like Laura Ingraham who threw a fit because one of the survivors joked about Marco Rubio and the NRA and she was talking about "how teens speak to and about adults". I mean are you serious? Those kids almost died a couple of days ago, saw their friends die and still have the courage to confront a prominent politican about his "ties" with the NRA and this obnoxious waste of oxygen is talking about teens not respecting adults??! Gtfo you cunt. It seems like, since Trump, the American media has to polarise things into two extremes. This time it’s adults vs teenagers. Weird how these commentators are so on board with it.
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Post by sirmoshington on Feb 24, 2018 12:28:23 GMT -5
I think its outrageously disgusting, how some more or less prominent figures are ripping on these kids. Like Laura Ingraham who threw a fit because one of the survivors joked about Marco Rubio and the NRA and she was talking about "how teens speak to and about adults". I mean are you serious? Those kids almost died a couple of days ago, saw their friends die and still have the courage to confront a prominent politican about his "ties" with the NRA and this obnoxious waste of oxygen is talking about teens not respecting adults??! Gtfo you cunt. It seems like, since Trump, the American media has to polarise things into two extremes. This time it’s adults vs teenagers. Weird how these commentators are so on board with it. I think its not just since Trump. As far as I remember it was always a story of "us vs. them" like the nation is split down the middle. Republican vs. Democrats, Liberal vs. Conservative or on topics of police violence, public health, abortion, gun control the list goes on and on. And considering this, its not as weird that different commentators try to feed on one of the sides because they try to cater to their respective audience. Even there you've got Fox & Co. vs. CNN & Co. I don't live in the US but this is kinda the picture I get. It feels like the voices speaking from the "middle" who are truely interested in conversations with both sides are getting rarer and rarer.
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Post by v9733xa on Feb 24, 2018 13:26:28 GMT -5
It seems like, since Trump, the American media has to polarise things into two extremes. This time it’s adults vs teenagers. Weird how these commentators are so on board with it. I think its not just since Trump. As far as I remember it was always a story of "us vs. them" like the nation is split down the middle. Republican vs. Democrats, Liberal vs. Conservative or on topics of police violence, public health, abortion, gun control the list goes on and on. And considering this, its not as weird that different commentators try to feed on one of the sides because they try to cater to their respective audience. Even there you've got Fox & Co. vs. CNN & Co. I don't live in the US but this is kinda the picture I get. It feels like the voices speaking from the "middle" who are truely interested in conversations with both sides are getting rarer and rarer. That's a somewhat simplified argument, but it's also pretty much correct. As an avid newsie here in the USofA, i see this bullshit all the time. There HAVE to be two co-equal sides to every argument, to every issue, to every news story, even one when side is so clearly more in the right and the other is so clearly wrong. TV networks have always played this, but it wasn't until the 1990s (no it wasn't only FoxNews, it was CNN first) that they realized that it was really just about getting arguments on TV, regardless of the substance, and that every debate had two sides worthy of equal time. In short, no, this is obviously false, but it makes for (allegedly) good TV. Even, sadly, PBS is at fault at times... just this past week their flagship news program Newshour featured a member of a known hate group (the Center for Immigration Studies) - as classified by the Southern Poverty Law Center - as the "other" view on immigration policies. He was given equal time for commentary and rebuttal on the show. source: splinternews.com/pbs-newshour-featured-a-member-of-a-known-hate-group-as-1823273538Sorry for getting off track.
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Post by sirmoshington on Feb 24, 2018 15:10:05 GMT -5
I think its not just since Trump. As far as I remember it was always a story of "us vs. them" like the nation is split down the middle. Republican vs. Democrats, Liberal vs. Conservative or on topics of police violence, public health, abortion, gun control the list goes on and on. And considering this, its not as weird that different commentators try to feed on one of the sides because they try to cater to their respective audience. Even there you've got Fox & Co. vs. CNN & Co. I don't live in the US but this is kinda the picture I get. It feels like the voices speaking from the "middle" who are truely interested in conversations with both sides are getting rarer and rarer. That's a somewhat simplified argument, but it's also pretty much correct. As an avid newsie here in the USofA, i see this bullshit all the time. There HAVE to be two co-equal sides to every argument, to every issue, to every news story, even one when side is so clearly more in the right and the other is so clearly wrong. TV networks have always played this, but it wasn't until the 1990s (no it wasn't only FoxNews, it was CNN first) that they realized that it was really just about getting arguments on TV, regardless of the substance, and that every debate had two sides worthy of equal time. In short, no, this is obviously false, but it makes for (allegedly) good TV. Even, sadly, PBS is at fault at times... just this past week their flagship news program Newshour featured a member of a known hate group (the Center for Immigration Studies) - as classified by the Southern Poverty Law Center - as the "other" view on immigration policies. He was given equal time for commentary and rebuttal on the show. source: splinternews.com/pbs-newshour-featured-a-member-of-a-known-hate-group-as-1823273538Sorry for getting off track. Yeah it basically is just about ratings and that is so fucking crazy. On certain topics it is so important to get both sides to the story, but just like you said that they will still feature every side even if that means having some nutcase on air like that guy from the CIS. Or even suddenly sites like freakin Infowars is granted WH press credentials. The whole "fake news" has gotten so fuckin absurd. To steer back to the Parkland shooting, how isn't it possible that both sides just agree that something seems to be wrong, on how the US handles guns? The parkland students said it right imo, that it really seems, that people seem to care more about their right to own military type weapons than they care about students lives.
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